"Even if they were to see the real-time video and the streams of e-mail exchanges that confirmed al-Qaeda affiliates were carrying out a planned asassination, they would still would not believe it."

In so much as these don't exist, we don't believe it.

During the Bush years, the Republicans used to say it was unpatriotic to criticize the commander-in-chief when troops were in harm’s way — that it would endanger the lives of our soldiers and damage morale. It’s endlessly fascinating to me how this deeply heart-felt and often repeated declaration of wartime patriotism was entirely abandoned on January 20, 2009, and most dramatically on September 11, 2012, even while troops remain in harm’s way.

If you buy into this, Pam, you've been used by the Propagandists.

"We may not know the whole truth until after the election but we do know that the Obama administration will probably continue to deceive and obfuscate because if the whole truth came out now he has no chance of being re-elected."

Spare us the conspiracy theories.

Falling poll numbers? Did you flunk math? The poll numbers have barely moved in 7 months! Nate Silver is saying that President Obama has an 85%+ chance of re-election.

Romney would never push a lie for political gain....."Jeep will move to China"....Hahahahaha....Jeep has been in China since 1983! Fact!

Obama is going to lose badly. Don't listen to Pravda they distort the truth when it comes to the annointed one. Benghazi would be on all day if someone not from the socialist party was in the White House.

7 of 10 GM cars are built in China and after the Government takeover the CEO said they need to build more plants there.

mike,
You are 100% correct GM makes 7 out of every 10 cars in China....BECAUSE THEY SELL THEM THERE! China has been GM's most profitable market for quite some time. If your going to tell the truth, then tell the whole truth, not just the part you like.

And before you start with the garbage about "they should build them here and ship them"....China hits every imported car with a 25% tariff. Simple economics.

Fair trade under OBONGO. We have no tariff so goods fly on to our shelves.
.China hits every imported car with a 25% tariff.
We need Romney who will take a tough stand with China.

naomi stop drinking the kool aid

mike - do you where that phrase arose?

How many innocents died in Jonestown. Everytime one of you quacks uses that phrase to dismiss people who disagree, you dance on nearly a thousand graves.

Proud of yourself?

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/mass/jonestown/index_1.html

FYI - You're illustrating what's gone wrong with America and the rise of our version
of the Taliban - you can't hear anything outside your echo chamber.

You've been completely brainwashed by a propaganda machine, mike.
Give it a rest, Gramps.

=I find it appalling any woman could consider voting for the Romney/Ryan ticket. Their beliefs on woman will set us back.=

That of course is the Democratic plan - pit women against men, black against white, straight against gay, public sector vs private.
For example, the way you actually create more jobs for women is to create more jobs for everybody. Not saddle small business with extra 'gender specific' regulations. Yes, it also creates more jobs for men. However, though you may not want to beleive it, that is a good thing.
While the Democrats may feel that making every issue an 'us vs them' is to their advantage, and they are probably correct, it is not to the advantage of the nation to continue to tear itself apart.

Here is where both parties make me, as a mother of two and pro-choice, what to flip everyone the bird. In no way should abortion be a federal issue. I believe issue’s like abortion, being discussed on a federal level, should have died with introduction of church and state. At most it should be a states right to vote and not a “make or break” decision on a federal leader. I also believe that Romney’s ideas for this country do not include making abortion illegal. Nor do I believe that O’bama’s ideas are to make us a socialist country.

Typical liberal rhetoric and lies.

=You're 100% right "SL". It would not only be appalling for any woman to cast a vote for the Romney/Ryan teabagger ticket, it would be appalling for any person of color, minority, same sex couple, or anyone with half a brain to vote for Romney/Ryan.=

Precisely what I was referring to in my post above. Thank you for the excellent example.

b k, your mother and wife are teabaggers, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan share values with the Tea Party, Taxed Enough Already. Let's get this fact straight.

You seemed to have left out the fact, Mr.Cabestany, that if elected, teabagger Romney has stated publicly, on numerous occasions, that he would cut off federal funding for Planned Parenthood.

That statement alone should be more than enough for EVERY woman in America to cast their vote for President Obama.

small change so let me get this straight woman should vote for the murder of babies,sex between same sex, murder of the elderly, minorities held down by socialism and a party that tried to take God out of their platform. I don't believe you speak for many woman I know.

"...so let me get this straight woman should vote for the murder of babies,sex between same sex, murder of the elderly, minorities held down by socialism and a party that tried to take God out of their platform. I don't believe you speak for many woman I know." mike the clear-headed voice of Reason

Keep your religious superstitions out of my Government, thank you very much.
Why would anyone presume half of what you claim to be true?

Based on what fervid reading of policy?
Turn the tv OFF, already.

=small change so let me get this straight woman should vote for the murder of babies,sex between same sex, murder of the elderly,==

What in the world are yout talking about? Can't you read?
I was decrying the Democrats playing the 'gender card' of 'we are not all in this together, this election is about women vs. men', and B kcaj made my point by playing the genderism/racism/sexual preferencism cards all in one sentence , as the Dems attempt to make everyone a victimized special interest group and have all of us at each other's throats.
And you read it as an attack on Republicans, and made the same divisive arguments from the other side. Nice work. This may come as a shock to most Patch posters, but words have meanings.

"Your rhetoric is over the top silliness."

Madame Pot, meet Miss Kettle.

"No thanks, we gave Obama a chance and he was a dismal failure."
By what measure? Facts matter - or is it 'truthiness' gnawing at you?

Do you suffer from Fox Geezer syndrome, Pam?
There's no cure, but the treatment is simple - less Fox, more facts.

"Just because they want the taxpayer's to pick up the tab for birth control and abortion doesn't mean they care a whit about you either. They just want you available for sex without responsibility at all times."

At last we get to the core of your resentment - young people still having sex.
Feel free to keep your superstitious religious hangups to yourself, m'Kay?

How young would you like them having sex Naome? You are crude and rude as are many liberal posters. You really need to find some new material because your stuff is getting old and boring. How many times have you used Fox Geezer Syndrome?

"...your stuff is getting old and boring."
I wouldn't presume lecture you on your area of expertise.

To the mods - there's no mention of abortion or Benghazi in the OP.
There's already extensive discussion in The Patch about the Benghazi debacle and the Issa Inquisition that has followed.

If posters are insistent on rehashing the current crop of fabrications concerning
Benghazi from conspiracy sites (and Fox) they deserve all challenges that arise.

Note that when the most conservative voices meet resistance, they're immediate response is to consider it an affront and crude. If older people want to come into a public place and act as if they own it, they deserve no more respect than the rest.

Agree with pam on some and Naome on other (topic on Benghazi)is not issue

Where has your red pen been for the last 2 weeks? Obviously not on the "I know nothing"… Hillary lies, the Ambassador dies thread. There are plenty of personal attacks there.

Um...

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/Ken-Walshs-Washington/2012/10/31/a-tale-of-two-storms-comparing-bush-and-obamas-hurricane-response

Nice try. "If this devastation was in another country, the USA would be pouring in all kinds of aid." There's what is really happening, on the ground and there's the twisted narrative you Tea Party hacks WANT to believe.

Not surprisingly, they're different.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/10/31/hurricane-sandy-fema-election-obama-romney-visions/

If Obama dragged his feet in responding, you hacks would call him incompetent.
If he spends money rebuilding the most important city in the World, you'll call him "fiscally irresponsible" - it's never about what Obama does, is it?

It's all about who he is.

You don't like him, we get it.
Now go polish your Spam.

Surprise!! More links posted!!

Well, if it were up to Mitt & the Repubs. they would keep the govt response for this disaster out of the equation. "let the private sector take over" ... and where exactly would the private sector be in this situation .... in the same boat as everyone else in NJ, NY, Conn etc. Take your rhetoric and try cooperating or coming to terms to make things work for all of us instead of the ten % of you who want to fight at every turn.

Manifold,
Your lies are going to catch up with you.
Even Christie and one of Romney's advisors admitted that President Obama and FEMA were doing a wonderful job. Yet despite this, you choose to try and lambast him over it.

If you feel the need to spread "propganda" at least try to make it realistic. And most of all, I have to say that the President's response to Sandy was MUCH better than the federal response to Katrina.

manifold witness 68% of americans approve of how the president has handled this disaster compared to 15% who disapprove

* The only female candidate aside from Peta Lindsay of the Party for Socialism and Liberation. She is on the ballot next Tuesday.

Whoops, I didn't know about her! Learn something new every day. Here's what I found:

even more 3rd pary candidates....
Peta Lindsay, Socialism and Liberation Party
Peta LIndsey, at 28 years old, is actually barred from serving as president due to her age (you must be 35 years old to be president). The party for socialism and liberation is a marxist-leninist party in the US that desires to end capitalism.

http://www.pslweb.org/votepsl/2012/statements/10-point-program-lindsay-osorio-2012.html

-jobs a constitutional right
-healthcare, education, housing a right
-shut down military bases & bring troops home
-end mass incarceration
-pass employee free choice act
-abortion on demand
-gender equity in pay
-open borders
-LGTB rights
-end capitalism
-bank banks

They don't call it global warming anymore because its a lie. Environmentalism is another form of control of the masses

its communism

mike,
You need to brush up on the definition of communism

"Communism" in the world, according to mike -

Conservation of resources (the root of CONSERVAtive)
Public property versus corporate ownership of damn near everything
One person = one vote
Teeth in regulatory bodies, ie: A cell for Lloyd Blankfein and friends
Stop the government spying on us

More importantly, in the world according to mike - government checks for anyone else are socialist, his are "earned entitlements".

No fair, being funny.

"-block any proposed US-Mexico-Canada merger"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o5WcLEuKu0

Crap! now I have to scrape my Phil Steen sticker off my car...and end my dueling banjo lessons..

The local actions of the Tea Party adherents are precisely why I challenge them,
here. Joe Sousa (see above) is running for office in Tiverton, RI.

The Tea Party has not been effective in setting public policy on a national stage,
they use rage, invective and activism against the only soft target in their range -
schools and public works.

"The Fish rots from the head first" - the underpinnings of their stated philosophy
are a grab-bag full of conspiracy theories (including a UN lead takeover of parks)
and "shoot first - ask questions later" foreign policy.

What set them off? Wall Street robbed us all and got away with it.

Their platform? Set the wolves free.
Some patriots.

" then, why sealed records on college?"
Federal law prohibits this, and no prior President has done it, either.
You're rehashing the same tired conspiracy theories we've countered, four years now.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

"Romney... but he created his wealth and many companies that support American employees- I shop in those companies." Romney embodies economic parasite.
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/19/how_mitt_romney_made_a_fortune_off_the_auto_bailout/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/24/mitt-romney-self-creation-myth

"We now have additional Govt. jobs - the positions are called "Czars" - interesting term." You can thank the Nixon administration for this tongue-in-cheek term.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,908276,00.html

"I know that Mr. Obama said he did not deserve to be elected again if he didn't fulfill his campaign promises of 2008, and he hasn't."
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/fact-check-obama-and-the-one-term-proposition/

Do you suffer from Fox Geezer syndrome, rhoder222?
It's not as if we haven't heard (and discredited) this blather, before - Ad Nauseum.

It's as if you True Believers can't fathom the rest of us discounting this for what it
really is - propaganda fed to the most gullible electorate.

Give it a rest.

Dear Portsmouth Neighbor - Mr. Obama is charismatic, charming, at times, and Hollywood and some of the media have mutual admiration and it seems, adoration of Mr. Obama, and he seems to very much enjoy that life style as well. I think it is a perfect combination - this year I vote for Mr. Obama to go to Hollywood.

"You have intelligence, add some compassion, thoughtfulness, throw in a little kindness, maybe fun and take a break - you seem too radical, not an effective way to win over anyone to your belief."

You're kidding, right?

You spout the propaganda line, based entirely on purely partisan quackery and you lecture on compassion and kindness? If you're willing to regurgitate what amounts to slander you deserve neither consideration or tolerance.

I want my country back from the pitchfork waving mob.

You're either with us Americans, or you're a willing tool of those undermining
what remains of our all-too fragile democracy.

Which is it?

Amen, Reverend.
I'm no fan of Obama.

I absolutely detest what has happened to reporting in America - it's a freak show.

Naome... No fan of the reverend on this end.

IF that's a documentary, then Rocky and Bullwinkle must be Shakespeare.

It's a documentary, the way Farenheit 9/11 was a documentary.

http://guardianlv.com/2012/09/2016-obamas-america-vs-becoming-barack/

Pet Food Poison
For the first time, investigators are saying the chemical that has sickened and killed pets in the United States may have been intentionally added to pet food ingredients by Chinese producers.

Food and Drug Administration investigators say the Chinese companies may have spiked products with the chemical melamine so that they would appear, in tests, to have more value as protein products.

Officials now suspect this possibility because a second ingredient from China, rice protein concentrate, has tested positive for melamine. So has corn gluten shipped to South Africa. That means there is a possibility for another round of recalls.

Consumers were advised yesterday to discard all toothpaste made in China after federal health officials said they found Chinese-made toothpaste containing a poison used in some antifreeze in three locations: Miami, the Port of Los Angeles and Puerto Rico.

China manufactured every one of the 24 kinds of toys recalled for safety reasons in the United States so far this year, including the enormously popular Thomas & Friends wooden train sets, a record that is causing alarm among consumer advocates, parents and regulators.

A worker at a factory in Dongguan, China, uses a marker to touch up the paint on toy trains. Several Dongguan factories make Thomas toy trains.
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Ryan Pyle for The New York Times

A worker closes a box of toy trains. Last week 1.5 million trains and components were recalled because they were coated with lead paint.

The latest recall, announced last week, involves 1.5 million Thomas & Friends trains and rail components — about 4 percent of all those sold in the United States over the last two years by RC2 Corporation of Oak Brook, Ill. The toys were coated at a factory in China with lead paint, which can damage brain cells, especially in children.

In 2008, China's largest provider of milk powder recalled 700 tons of baby formula after one child died and more than 50 others developed kidney problems. Melamine, a chemical used in the making of plastic, was found in the baby formula; it later emerged that unscrupulous manufacturers had been adding it to food products to cheaply boost protein values. The revelations only further damaged China's reputation in production

WASHINGTON -- Chinese manufacturers made more than half of the goods that the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission recalled last year, but few of them paid any price for producing defective wares.

Perhaps we should start with auto parts, and clawback jobs sent to slave labor camps.

http://delphi.com/about/careers/locations/china/

You're going to blame Obama for an open trade approach on one hand, and call him a socialist on the other? That's not exactly coherent, is it Joey?

Which is it - we were all for Free Markets, last month...

Let's face it, you're not ABOUT anything Joe.
You don't like Obama - we gittit.

Four years and America is worse off. Do the math. It's the economy stupid !

It's never been about what happens on Obama's watch with you detractors - is it?

Reagan got re-elected with nearly the same performance profile, selling the electorate on the "Trickle down" fiction which paved the way for today's debt load.

The difference? The gullible electorate bought the snake oil pitch in 1984.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/10/05/barack-obama-2012-ronald-reagan-1984/

Two things, Joe - you don't attribute the quotes you so freely steal
(http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/07/news/economy/august-jobs-report/index.html)

and the data isn't current - this quote is from September.

Nice try, but America is in better shape that ever, no matter how many times
you repeat the Koch Brothers official lines.

I'm all for running the numbers - where are yours?
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2012/09/03/america-is-definitely-better-off-under-obama
So, is Obama the anti-Reagan?

When the Patch charges us 10 cents to put in our 2 cents worth, it will be.

And a pretty lousy opinion Jack-Looks like Romney is going down to defeat-almost time for the fat lady to sing!

Wow Jack-Since when did you become an economist? Did you graduate from the Wharton School of Business? Did you earn a PhD in economics from Harvard?

Please Jack, share your credentials with the readers, so they can strive to be the genius that you are, or purport to be.

Of course, you do know that the National Guard can only be activated in a state by that state's Govenor, right?
You want President Obama to send armed troops into a state?????????

The National Guard was on the ground in NY and NJ during the storm, and were handing out water and food within hours of the storm passing.

Stop telling fairytales, it makes you look stupid.

There was a Federal response, as requested by the governors:

New York National Guard: Over 3,500 Guard personnel and 604 vehicles are supporting relief efforts. New York National Guard is conducting high-water evacuations and transportation out of the five boroughs and continues supporting power restoration, traffic control, debris removal, wellness checks, and food/water distribution. They are the designated water and petroleum distribution for all supported state agencies. They have five military police companies conducting presence patrols, traffic control points, and augmentation of local law enforcement agencies. The New York National Guard 2nd CST has deployed their Unified Command Suite and providing communications support to the Nassau County Office of Emergency Management.

New Jersey National Guard: 2,029 National Guard personnel on duty. Assisting New Jersey State Police and Fire Department with rescues, security, and evacuations. Conducting debris clearance/removal, high water vehicle operations, shelter support, food and water distribution, and power generation.

http://www.enewspf.com/latest-news/latest-national/military-casualties/38037-update-on-the-dod-and-national-guard-response-to-hurricane-sandy-november-4-2012.html

"This administration is unprerared for any kind of emergency. The US sends more supplies quicker and faster over seas to people who hate us, but can't them to NY and NJ." Except when they do, pinhead.

"The National Guard should have invaded NY and NJ as soon as the storm was over, bringing food, water, medical supplies, and other essentials necessary to help these unfortunate victims of the storm survive."

Sunday the 28th, they were saddle up. Where did you come up with this?
It's as if you WANT to believe the worst about Obama, is that it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU3n2Ba_5jY

"If anyone from the ACLU sees this, sorry I forgot to ask your permission before I wrote it. Since you have spent so much time here in Cranston over the past couple of months, my belief is that you will be setting up your world headquarters here! Vote Romney"

You should apologize to the people that pumped out RI, back in 2010.
They're the same people in New Jersey, today.

Are you REALLY this clueless, or just trolling for a fight?
http://envstudies.brown.edu/reports/EmergencyManagement.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBdZN3tTo34&feature=fvwrel

Hey Joe-Have you seen the latest presidential polls-things are looking pretty bleak for your by Romney.

Should we confiscate all sharp objects and prescription sleeping pills from your house?

Don't forget about that House of Reps blocking the Jobs bill....Oh wait...that would be the REPUBLICAN controlled House....

I guess Fox news didn't tell you about the fuel supplied by our military, or the MRE's being handed out, or the NG vehicles being used as polling places. How about the Army helicopters being used to transport wounded and sick? Wait, did Fox news commit a lie of ommission? Hard to believe.

So Sunday you said:

"The National Guard should have invaded NY and NJ as soon as the storm was over, bringing food, water, medical supplies, and other essentials necessary to help these unfortunate victims of the storm survive. But what do we get, more broken promises. This administration is unprerared for any kind of emergency."

Today, the problem is that the response was too fast?

"All the back slapping, and hand shaking isn't going to help those poor people. It's ACTION that counts! " You mean, like mobilizing the Air National Guard, declaring a disaster area and sending FEMA into high gear?

How can you see the same things as the rest of us and come to your conclusions?
I'll refrain from name calling when you no longer insist that stupidity is wisdom.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/30/christie-praises-obama-doesnt-give-a-damn-about-romney-photo-op/